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I am interested in programming languages in general. In particular, I was always intrigued by how another programming language can offer me new possibilities to express my programs and allow me to grow as a programmer.

I learned my first one in school. The computers there — a room full of PET 2001s, when they were new — had only BASIC, which frustrated me soon. At the university, I started out with a course in Pascal and did quite some programming on the side in it. Pascal filled many of the gaps that I had found annoying with BASIC too soon.

For fun I learned the basics of FORTRAN, but never had any real use for it. Modula-II came along, even for largish programming assignments, but didn't really catch my interest. I found Ada more interesting, but had little opportunity to use it outside of the process control course. I looked a bit into Forth, but again had no real application to get some practice.

It was when I got to C that I was finally hooked. That was, finally, "the real thing", in a way, and a language that served me well, not only in the technical sense — for most of my professional life, it was one of the main things that kept me well-fed.

There were other interesting languages I learned at the university, Tcl, for instance, not the greatest language, but a very easily embeddable interpreter. For a while, I put one into every major program I wrote. I learned a little of Prolog, but not enough, which I regret.

But I was fascinated by functional languages and got a bit more productive in that field — Lisp, Hope, ML mainly. Lisp was the only one that I built an implementation for myself — or, rather, more than one. First for an assignment, together with a co-student, in Modula-II. We did not like some of the requirements in that course, and not so much the implementation language, so afterwards, we did a similar one in C. Years later, I made a Lisp interpreter in Java, and still later another one in C. All these are not really complete — in particular the garbage collector of the latter is a bit too eager and collects away things it shouldn't —, but both do implement a small but "real" Lisp, one that can use recursion and higher-order functions and has the basic builtins available. In between I have written one in Go, which is the most complete of all of them, although still in the My Favourite Toy Language category rather than a useful programming environment.

As mentioned, C was instrumental to most of the professional jobs I had, and the one I currently have. But others came into view, mainly Perl. Perl has even become the default language for me when I want to try something or have to implement just a bit of functionality. This is not because I value Perl so highly for its technical merits, but it is available everywhere, everybody knows it, so many things are admittedly much easier to do in Perl than in C, and consequently Perl has become a kind of habit. I am not the biggest fan of Perl, though; I find it inelegant and clumsy in places, and seductively encouraging questionable programming habits in others. Still, often it gets things done with relatively little effort.

There are others that I found interesting on the way, but have not found enough time (and practical use) to really learn them — Lua, SNOBOL, and APL (or J, rather) come to mind. I will have to work with JavaScript soonish, but I am strongly meh about it.

Then I saw more and more of Go. An article about it by Rob Pike finally made me dig into it, something I had been wanting to do for a while. Now that seems to be a fine language, with great ideas built into it, while still catering to the habits of programmers who grew up with C and its descendants. Go has the potential to give me back some of the fun I head with C 20 years ago, by combining ease and pragmatism (like in Perl) with a, finally, elegant language (although not as elegant as Lisp or the more modern functional languages). I'll see; for now I haven't done more than a few sample programs and the abovementioned Lisp interpreter in Go.

Then there is Haskell. I became curious about Haskell already in the early 90s, when I had contact with other functional languages as a student (see above). Someone passed me an article about Haskell in, I think, the ACM SIGPLAN Notices. Haskell was still new then, but in between it has matured for a few decades and is still there, which I assume is a good sign. As I always liked functional programming, this may be something to go with.

Now the biggest obstacle in adopting a new programming language for myself is not the difficulty of learning it and getting up to speed for real tasks, but other people. While my workplace has, to my regrets, a culture of people mostly doing their development projects alone, it is still considered important that someone else will be able to fix things when the original author is on vacation, or to do further development after the original author has left. I agree with that, of course. But that makes it difficult to adopt a new programming language when the others are just not interested in doing the same. And alas, it appears they are not.

Besides shell scripts, we work with C and — mostly — Perl, but I would love to do things in Go or Haskell. And I would like to do that at work, to make my work easier and more interesting. But as there is no one to take over a project done in one of these languages, I cannot do that. (There is one who would be interested enough in Go, I guess, but he is a student and will leave us in a year or two.) That is quite frustrating. Perhaps I should try to initiate a kind of consensus which language we should adopt next — but I am afraid there is too little interest to leave the beaten tracks of C and Perl. After all, they have already adopted Perl as a new laguage not even twenty years ago, so why do something like that again so soon?

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Date: 2014-04-28 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rbarclay
One question that springs to mind: would you like to learn something new just for the fun of it, to get better at your job/career, or a combination?

If it's for, or connected to, your job, well, just have a look around and see where your environment's lacking (where you can make a decently easy sell on writing custom code, like for Puppet or somesuch!).
If you're looking to maybe switching jobs, the hot non-Perl ticket is probably (in the sysadmin corner, the only one I know) Python.


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